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	<title>Comments on: Special Episode: Bill Kapoun&#8217;s Story</title>
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	<description>Your guide to living in Korea with news, views and other ways to waste your time, with hosts Jennifer Young (Seoul Survivors), Stafford Lumsden (The Chosun Bimbo) and Joe McPherson (ZenKimchi).</description>
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		<title>By: livinginseoul</title>
		<link>http://www.seoulpodcast.com/archives/601/comment-page-1#comment-9561</link>
		<dc:creator>livinginseoul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2011 09:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s sad that Bill&#039;s mother feels it is her duty to go about saying&quot;spreading the word&quot; that Bill was the victim of a hate crime. She has shown no evidence ofthis supposed hate crime and it is not even clear that is was NOT some kind of accident. No witnesses it would seem, and the fact that no attept appears to have been made to extinguish the fire means little. Fires within a typical home could produce plenty of highly toxic vapors which could overcome a person in a matter os seconds. In fact, most people die of inhalation of smoke (and poisons) which disables them first. 

It would be better if she simply highlighted the kinds of accidents or dangers that can befall a person working in another country and get more people to be aware of the need to check their insurance etc.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s sad that Bill&#8217;s mother feels it is her duty to go about saying&#8221;spreading the word&#8221; that Bill was the victim of a hate crime. She has shown no evidence ofthis supposed hate crime and it is not even clear that is was NOT some kind of accident. No witnesses it would seem, and the fact that no attept appears to have been made to extinguish the fire means little. Fires within a typical home could produce plenty of highly toxic vapors which could overcome a person in a matter os seconds. In fact, most people die of inhalation of smoke (and poisons) which disables them first. </p>
<p>It would be better if she simply highlighted the kinds of accidents or dangers that can befall a person working in another country and get more people to be aware of the need to check their insurance etc.  </p>
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		<title>By: livinginseoul</title>
		<link>http://www.seoulpodcast.com/archives/601/comment-page-1#comment-9560</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2011 09:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also the comment Bill&#039;s mother made about Bill&#039;s landlord keeping the deposit on the apartment lease: the circumstances are not explained, but from personal experience and speaking to other Koreans, it would seem that tenancy lawas distinctly lean towards the landlord. Doesn&#039;t matter whether you&#039;re a foreigner, a Westerner or Korean.

And in that area, there are probably more than a few rather unscrupulous and greedy landlords. He probably felt that this was due to him since a fire had wrecked the place. Nothing at all to do with Bill not being Korean. I sense that this is becoming an anti-Korean thing, when in fact several things - including the questionable investigation etc - are really just things which happen with some regularity to ordinary Koreans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also the comment Bill&#8217;s mother made about Bill&#8217;s landlord keeping the deposit on the apartment lease: the circumstances are not explained, but from personal experience and speaking to other Koreans, it would seem that tenancy lawas distinctly lean towards the landlord. Doesn&#8217;t matter whether you&#8217;re a foreigner, a Westerner or Korean.</p>
<p>And in that area, there are probably more than a few rather unscrupulous and greedy landlords. He probably felt that this was due to him since a fire had wrecked the place. Nothing at all to do with Bill not being Korean. I sense that this is becoming an anti-Korean thing, when in fact several things &#8211; including the questionable investigation etc &#8211; are really just things which happen with some regularity to ordinary Koreans.</p>
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		<title>By: livinginseoul</title>
		<link>http://www.seoulpodcast.com/archives/601/comment-page-1#comment-9559</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2011 09:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It should be noted that quite a few  - not generalizing - shady Koreans live around Itaewon and Haebangchon.  Its&#039;s possible Bill&#039;s girlfriend is from this kind of &quot;shady&quot; family. It&#039;s well-known many Korean gangsters run nightclubs such as ones in Itaewon, and of course, it&#039;s an area for prostitution. In fact, that&#039;s how many other Koreans view that area - full of Korean gangsters, club owners, prostitutes and pimps etc. They wouldn&#039;t live there because of the stigma (I&#039;m talking middle-class or in fact many working class Koreans as well). 

It&#039;s also speculation but if Bill&#039;s girlfriend is from say, a family involved with gangsters or in trouble with them, owes money etc - she could well be the one that someone would want to hurt or scare, not Bill. Remember that she died as well. Atually, most Korean families would highly disapprove of a daughter (said to be young, in the podcast) living with a man - and in this case, a foreigner - in an area with a very bad reputation amongst many Koreans. But of course, if their family was involved in gangster-type activities, they wouldn&#039;t be concerned about that stuff. That seems to indicate something about the girl&#039;s family. If this DID involve some gangsters, perhaps that was the reason for the lack of police interest in vigorously investigating the incident, and not because a Westerner was ONE of the 2 victims.

Also why didn&#039;t any of Bill&#039;s friends bring someone to interpret? They&#039;ve been living and working in Korea and yet they can&#039;t get a single Korean or even non-Korean friend who could adequately interpret Korean to English? It is often the case that many hospitals in Korea do not have doctors/staff who speak English well. They are not responsible for having such staff just as the Western country in which I lived does not have a duty to have stafff that speak other languages besides English. 

Good point raised however that foreigners should be aware of differences in laws and customs in Korea. For example, the &quot;blood money&quot; thing is how many cases involving Koreans are settlled. It&#039;s a culturally accepted thing, possibly in other Asian countries as well. 

Also there are comments about how Westerners are given sugar-coated lies about working in Korea - yet Bill was persuaded by another Westerner who had lived in Korea to come here. In fact, I&#039;ve personally heard how many Westerners were first introduced to the idea of coming here by their friends, aquaintaces in college etc. to get the &quot;easy jobs, good pay for easy work, lots of vacation &quot; etc. Their own (Western) friends etc did not warn them of the pitfalls, even though they&#039;d experienced living and working in Korea. One can not only  blame recruites (ie Koreans) for the misinformation and unrealistic promises. Actually I&#039;ve met lots of people who&#039;ve stayed over a year, or several years, and yes, have expreienced problems with employers etc - yet they continue to renew contracts or go search for jobs with better conditions, year after year after year. Why? Priobably because their home countries fail to provide them with attractive enough jobs for their levels of qualitfications and job skills, even though these people consider the working conditions, rights, legal rights etc better in their home countries. That is the failure of these Western countries, not Korea.

Korea - and other countries but particularly Asian ones such as China, Korea, Japan, Taiwan - provide handy valves for Western countires especially America with its economy being hammered the way it is, to relieve job competition and pressure among young people. Many unemployed yet educated (have univ. degrees) young people unhappy about no jobs or low-paid jobs in say, America would lead to some unrest - not to mention higher jobless rate- which govts do not want. They are more than pleased to have these graduates go off to another country. Perhaps there are secret policies for embassies to do nothing lest they get in bad with the host (job -providing) countries. You can bet it&#039;s much worse in China - and that&#039;s why Korea is the preferred destination for EFL. I don&#039;t know whether the American embassy does much for Americans in China - but I doubt they do. So many foreigners seem to have so many grievances/complaints about Korea and yet, the number of them coming here is surging, and many of them stay here quite a few years. Nobody points out how their own country has failed to give them job opportunities and the kind of high savings that allow them to pay off student debt. Instead there&#039;s a lot of blaming Korea and criticizing Koreans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It should be noted that quite a few  &#8211; not generalizing &#8211; shady Koreans live around Itaewon and Haebangchon.  Its&#8217;s possible Bill&#8217;s girlfriend is from this kind of &#8220;shady&#8221; family. It&#8217;s well-known many Korean gangsters run nightclubs such as ones in Itaewon, and of course, it&#8217;s an area for prostitution. In fact, that&#8217;s how many other Koreans view that area &#8211; full of Korean gangsters, club owners, prostitutes and pimps etc. They wouldn&#8217;t live there because of the stigma (I&#8217;m talking middle-class or in fact many working class Koreans as well). </p>
<p>It&#8217;s also speculation but if Bill&#8217;s girlfriend is from say, a family involved with gangsters or in trouble with them, owes money etc &#8211; she could well be the one that someone would want to hurt or scare, not Bill. Remember that she died as well. Atually, most Korean families would highly disapprove of a daughter (said to be young, in the podcast) living with a man &#8211; and in this case, a foreigner &#8211; in an area with a very bad reputation amongst many Koreans. But of course, if their family was involved in gangster-type activities, they wouldn&#8217;t be concerned about that stuff. That seems to indicate something about the girl&#8217;s family. If this DID involve some gangsters, perhaps that was the reason for the lack of police interest in vigorously investigating the incident, and not because a Westerner was ONE of the 2 victims.</p>
<p>Also why didn&#8217;t any of Bill&#8217;s friends bring someone to interpret? They&#8217;ve been living and working in Korea and yet they can&#8217;t get a single Korean or even non-Korean friend who could adequately interpret Korean to English? It is often the case that many hospitals in Korea do not have doctors/staff who speak English well. They are not responsible for having such staff just as the Western country in which I lived does not have a duty to have stafff that speak other languages besides English. </p>
<p>Good point raised however that foreigners should be aware of differences in laws and customs in Korea. For example, the &#8220;blood money&#8221; thing is how many cases involving Koreans are settlled. It&#8217;s a culturally accepted thing, possibly in other Asian countries as well. </p>
<p>Also there are comments about how Westerners are given sugar-coated lies about working in Korea &#8211; yet Bill was persuaded by another Westerner who had lived in Korea to come here. In fact, I&#8217;ve personally heard how many Westerners were first introduced to the idea of coming here by their friends, aquaintaces in college etc. to get the &#8220;easy jobs, good pay for easy work, lots of vacation &#8221; etc. Their own (Western) friends etc did not warn them of the pitfalls, even though they&#8217;d experienced living and working in Korea. One can not only  blame recruites (ie Koreans) for the misinformation and unrealistic promises. Actually I&#8217;ve met lots of people who&#8217;ve stayed over a year, or several years, and yes, have expreienced problems with employers etc &#8211; yet they continue to renew contracts or go search for jobs with better conditions, year after year after year. Why? Priobably because their home countries fail to provide them with attractive enough jobs for their levels of qualitfications and job skills, even though these people consider the working conditions, rights, legal rights etc better in their home countries. That is the failure of these Western countries, not Korea.</p>
<p>Korea &#8211; and other countries but particularly Asian ones such as China, Korea, Japan, Taiwan &#8211; provide handy valves for Western countires especially America with its economy being hammered the way it is, to relieve job competition and pressure among young people. Many unemployed yet educated (have univ. degrees) young people unhappy about no jobs or low-paid jobs in say, America would lead to some unrest &#8211; not to mention higher jobless rate- which govts do not want. They are more than pleased to have these graduates go off to another country. Perhaps there are secret policies for embassies to do nothing lest they get in bad with the host (job -providing) countries. You can bet it&#8217;s much worse in China &#8211; and that&#8217;s why Korea is the preferred destination for EFL. I don&#8217;t know whether the American embassy does much for Americans in China &#8211; but I doubt they do. So many foreigners seem to have so many grievances/complaints about Korea and yet, the number of them coming here is surging, and many of them stay here quite a few years. Nobody points out how their own country has failed to give them job opportunities and the kind of high savings that allow them to pay off student debt. Instead there&#8217;s a lot of blaming Korea and criticizing Koreans.</p>
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		<title>By: livinginseoul</title>
		<link>http://www.seoulpodcast.com/archives/601/comment-page-1#comment-9558</link>
		<dc:creator>livinginseoul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2011 08:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What evidence is there of the fire being a &quot;hate crime&quot;? Tragedy, but listening to the podcast I only hear speculation. No facts. I find it hard to believe that only ONE couple involving a Western man living with a Korean girl got targetted for some fire bombing. That area, Haebangchon, is FULL of Wrsterners wandering around with some Korean girlfriend. Why them? 

However the girlfriend&#039;s background sounds somewhat questionable although that part is also hearsay (about the girl&#039;s brother being the victim of a kidnapping hoax). It&#039;s possible that she was the real target - IF this was indeed a deliberate arson attack upon that specific couple. There was a roommate living there right? Although he was away on vacation, is it not possible that HE could have been the intended victim of the (alleged - no proof or evidence at all) attack. Therefore, it could not be said emphatically that this is a hate crime committed by Koreans. Of course, nobody saw any Korean suspiciously attempting to open Bill&#039;s window etc - so hw does anyone know it was someone Korean? If it was someone Western who - let&#039;s say, started the fire - would people be crying &quot;hate crime&quot;? Again zero evidence. Flammable liquid under the couch - does not show who put it there or even how much or what type of liquid. It could have been a cigarette lighter that a visitor (possibly even the roommate&#039;s visitors, or the roommate) lost under the couch. 

Without facts to support even a vague scenario, it&#039;s irresponsible to suggest it was a hate crime committed (by inference) by Koreans. Please note that more hate crimes have occurred in Western, white countries against non-white/non-Anglos/non-Westerners. Britain? Check. USA (where lynching first occurred)? Check. Several European countries? Check. There seems to be a lot of shouting (from other expats, am not referring to Bill&#039;s family etc.) about Korea being a haven of hate crimes against Westerners. 

Bill&#039;s mother keeps mentioning Christmas lights not being evident in the apartment - however, that does not mean that something else would not have started a fire. Initial combustion may not have come from an electrical short or overheated device. it could have been a chemical reaction of some kind. No offence but Bill&#039;s mother is not an expert, or fire investigator  - simply looking at a burnt apartment and seeing no Chrismas lights does not mean anything. 

The investigation appears to have perhaps not been properly carried out however, it is not for the family to point the finger at Koreans committing hate crimes against Westerners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What evidence is there of the fire being a &#8220;hate crime&#8221;? Tragedy, but listening to the podcast I only hear speculation. No facts. I find it hard to believe that only ONE couple involving a Western man living with a Korean girl got targetted for some fire bombing. That area, Haebangchon, is FULL of Wrsterners wandering around with some Korean girlfriend. Why them? </p>
<p>However the girlfriend&#8217;s background sounds somewhat questionable although that part is also hearsay (about the girl&#8217;s brother being the victim of a kidnapping hoax). It&#8217;s possible that she was the real target - IF this was indeed a deliberate arson attack upon that specific couple. There was a roommate living there right? Although he was away on vacation, is it not possible that HE could have been the intended victim of the (alleged &#8211; no proof or evidence at all) attack. Therefore, it could not be said emphatically that this is a hate crime committed by Koreans. Of course, nobody saw any Korean suspiciously attempting to open Bill&#8217;s window etc &#8211; so hw does anyone know it was someone Korean? If it was someone Western who &#8211; let&#8217;s say, started the fire &#8211; would people be crying &#8220;hate crime&#8221;? Again zero evidence. Flammable liquid under the couch &#8211; does not show who put it there or even how much or what type of liquid. It could have been a cigarette lighter that a visitor (possibly even the roommate&#8217;s visitors, or the roommate) lost under the couch. </p>
<p>Without facts to support even a vague scenario, it&#8217;s irresponsible to suggest it was a hate crime committed (by inference) by Koreans. Please note that more hate crimes have occurred in Western, white countries against non-white/non-Anglos/non-Westerners. Britain? Check. USA (where lynching first occurred)? Check. Several European countries? Check. There seems to be a lot of shouting (from other expats, am not referring to Bill&#8217;s family etc.) about Korea being a haven of hate crimes against Westerners. </p>
<p>Bill&#8217;s mother keeps mentioning Christmas lights not being evident in the apartment &#8211; however, that does not mean that something else would not have started a fire. Initial combustion may not have come from an electrical short or overheated device. it could have been a chemical reaction of some kind. No offence but Bill&#8217;s mother is not an expert, or fire investigator  &#8211; simply looking at a burnt apartment and seeing no Chrismas lights does not mean anything. </p>
<p>The investigation appears to have perhaps not been properly carried out however, it is not for the family to point the finger at Koreans committing hate crimes against Westerners.</p>
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		<title>By: tom pars</title>
		<link>http://www.seoulpodcast.com/archives/601/comment-page-1#comment-8634</link>
		<dc:creator>tom pars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 04:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That girl DJ is ridiculous. Have you ever heard a more affected person ever? ESL teachers are the intelligentsia?! sure right after the Texas Hold Em tourney.</description>
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		<title>By: tom pars</title>
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		<dc:creator>tom pars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 04:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That girl DJ is ridiculous. Have you ever heard a more affected person ever? ESL teachers are the intelligentsia?! sure right after the Texas Hold Em tourney.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That girl DJ is ridiculous. Have you ever heard a more affected person ever? ESL teachers are the intelligentsia?! sure right after the Texas Hold Em tourney.</p>
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		<title>By: Judy Kapoun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judy Kapoun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 02:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thoreau - I&#039;m not &quot;bitching and moaning&quot;.  My son is DEAD.
He wasn&#039;t afraid - didn&#039;t know the meaning of the word.  But he was the victim of a hate crime and deliberate cover up.  It is my duty to spread the word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thoreau &#8211; I&#8217;m not &#8220;bitching and moaning&#8221;.  My son is DEAD.<br />
He wasn&#8217;t afraid &#8211; didn&#8217;t know the meaning of the word.  But he was the victim of a hate crime and deliberate cover up.  It is my duty to spread the word.</p>
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		<title>By: Judy Kapoun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judy Kapoun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 02:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thoreau - I&#039;m not &quot;bitching and moaning&quot;.  My son is DEAD.
He wasn&#039;t afraid - didn&#039;t know the meaning of the word.  But he was the victim of a hate crime and deliberate cover up.  It is my duty to spread the word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thoreau &#8211; I&#8217;m not &#8220;bitching and moaning&#8221;.  My son is DEAD.<br />
He wasn&#8217;t afraid &#8211; didn&#8217;t know the meaning of the word.  But he was the victim of a hate crime and deliberate cover up.  It is my duty to spread the word.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 07:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like it or not, this is my home.  It&#039;s my choice to try to make it a better place.  I don&#039;t pack my bags and go.  That&#039;s the coward&#039;s way out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like it or not, this is my home.  It&#8217;s my choice to try to make it a better place.  I don&#8217;t pack my bags and go.  That&#8217;s the coward&#8217;s way out.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 07:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like it or not, this is my home.  It&#039;s my choice to try to make it a better place.  I don&#039;t pack my bags and go.  That&#039;s the coward&#039;s way out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like it or not, this is my home.  It&#8217;s my choice to try to make it a better place.  I don&#8217;t pack my bags and go.  That&#8217;s the coward&#8217;s way out.</p>
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