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	<title>Comments on: SeoulPodcast #51: Open Mic with Justin and Joseph</title>
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	<description>Your guide to living in Korea with news, views and other ways to waste your time, with hosts Jennifer Young (Seoul Survivors), Stafford Lumsden (The Chosun Bimbo) and Joe McPherson (ZenKimchi).</description>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.seoulpodcast.com/archives/443/comment-page-1#comment-3607</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 01:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I agree, Chae.  I&#039;ve done the same thing.  I went to one of the top boarding schools in the U.S., and they got their reputation from drilling students hard.  The difference in study styles between my school and what I&#039;ve seen in Korea is that my school&#039;s workload, which was substantial, consisted mostly of researching and writing.  There was a bit of the &quot;suck and puke&quot; memorization, but that was in the first year.  But my memory of my academic life there was paper after paper after paper, usually at least five going on at once.  We had required afternoon activities and nightly study halls.  Occasionally, we&#039;d do some studying on Saturday mornings.

Some of my friends really overdid it, and it cost them.  One friend was one of only fourteen in the world who got a perfect score on the SAT that year.  His first year of college, he had a breakdown and dropped out.

If you choose to have this type of schedule, like if you&#039;re in a medical residency, that&#039;s up to you.  But expecting every single child to be wired the same way and to believe that the suck-and-puke method is education--all my instincts say that it&#039;s madness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I agree, Chae.  I&#8217;ve done the same thing.  I went to one of the top boarding schools in the U.S., and they got their reputation from drilling students hard.  The difference in study styles between my school and what I&#8217;ve seen in Korea is that my school&#8217;s workload, which was substantial, consisted mostly of researching and writing.  There was a bit of the &#8220;suck and puke&#8221; memorization, but that was in the first year.  But my memory of my academic life there was paper after paper after paper, usually at least five going on at once.  We had required afternoon activities and nightly study halls.  Occasionally, we&#8217;d do some studying on Saturday mornings.</p>
<p>Some of my friends really overdid it, and it cost them.  One friend was one of only fourteen in the world who got a perfect score on the SAT that year.  His first year of college, he had a breakdown and dropped out.</p>
<p>If you choose to have this type of schedule, like if you&#8217;re in a medical residency, that&#8217;s up to you.  But expecting every single child to be wired the same way and to believe that the suck-and-puke method is education&#8211;all my instincts say that it&#8217;s madness.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.seoulpodcast.com/archives/443/comment-page-1#comment-9156</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 01:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I agree, Chae.  I&#039;ve done the same thing.  I went to one of the top boarding schools in the U.S., and they got their reputation from drilling students hard.  The difference in study styles between my school and what I&#039;ve seen in Korea is that my school&#039;s workload, which was substantial, consisted mostly of researching and writing.  There was a bit of the &quot;suck and puke&quot; memorization, but that was in the first year.  But my memory of my academic life there was paper after paper after paper, usually at least five going on at once.  We had required afternoon activities and nightly study halls.  Occasionally, we&#039;d do some studying on Saturday mornings.

Some of my friends really overdid it, and it cost them.  One friend was one of only fourteen in the world who got a perfect score on the SAT that year.  His first year of college, he had a breakdown and dropped out.

If you choose to have this type of schedule, like if you&#039;re in a medical residency, that&#039;s up to you.  But expecting every single child to be wired the same way and to believe that the suck-and-puke method is education--all my instincts say that it&#039;s madness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I agree, Chae.  I&#8217;ve done the same thing.  I went to one of the top boarding schools in the U.S., and they got their reputation from drilling students hard.  The difference in study styles between my school and what I&#8217;ve seen in Korea is that my school&#8217;s workload, which was substantial, consisted mostly of researching and writing.  There was a bit of the &#8220;suck and puke&#8221; memorization, but that was in the first year.  But my memory of my academic life there was paper after paper after paper, usually at least five going on at once.  We had required afternoon activities and nightly study halls.  Occasionally, we&#8217;d do some studying on Saturday mornings.</p>
<p>Some of my friends really overdid it, and it cost them.  One friend was one of only fourteen in the world who got a perfect score on the SAT that year.  His first year of college, he had a breakdown and dropped out.</p>
<p>If you choose to have this type of schedule, like if you&#8217;re in a medical residency, that&#8217;s up to you.  But expecting every single child to be wired the same way and to believe that the suck-and-puke method is education&#8211;all my instincts say that it&#8217;s madness.</p>
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		<title>By: Chae</title>
		<link>http://www.seoulpodcast.com/archives/443/comment-page-1#comment-3585</link>
		<dc:creator>Chae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 16:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People adapt and compensate, and often rise to meet the challenging circumstances, especially if such thing is expected.  I never gone through high school experience in Korea but have not some heavy duty studying both in Korea and in the US and you certainly do get used to it.  There may be a point where you will crash and pay for all the deprivations you have accumulated, but I find that people are pretty resilient.  Think medical residency in certain choice fields in the US.  They can commiserate, I&#039;m sure.  

I have seen some of my neighbors and relatives prepare for college and the &quot;gold standard&quot; they talk about is using up a ball point pen a day, from writing and copying and writing some more (rote memorization being such a big part of studying in Korea).

And all this studying does bring some real tangible rewards and remain the best (and some would say only) way to ensure future success.

And I understand that once kids get into college, they drastically expand their social horizon.  And the new things they experience and see may be the reason why all these college kids like to tear up the pavement and participate in &quot;demo&quot; (as in violent, anti-government demonstrations) common in past decades.

As for Jen and Joe, it may be hard for you guys to grasp because the you guys have never seen such a brute force approach to studying.  I&#039;m sure you guys all studied smarter not just harder.  But I&#039;ve seen it, and I&#039;ve done it, mostly when I was trying to learn English and carry the courseload in the first year here.  I remember studying 3 hours for a short social studies exam I ended up acing.  I remember the teacher asking me how long I studied and when I told him, he gave like a 20 minute speech that I hardly understood 10%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People adapt and compensate, and often rise to meet the challenging circumstances, especially if such thing is expected.  I never gone through high school experience in Korea but have not some heavy duty studying both in Korea and in the US and you certainly do get used to it.  There may be a point where you will crash and pay for all the deprivations you have accumulated, but I find that people are pretty resilient.  Think medical residency in certain choice fields in the US.  They can commiserate, I&#8217;m sure.  </p>
<p>I have seen some of my neighbors and relatives prepare for college and the &#8220;gold standard&#8221; they talk about is using up a ball point pen a day, from writing and copying and writing some more (rote memorization being such a big part of studying in Korea).</p>
<p>And all this studying does bring some real tangible rewards and remain the best (and some would say only) way to ensure future success.</p>
<p>And I understand that once kids get into college, they drastically expand their social horizon.  And the new things they experience and see may be the reason why all these college kids like to tear up the pavement and participate in &#8220;demo&#8221; (as in violent, anti-government demonstrations) common in past decades.</p>
<p>As for Jen and Joe, it may be hard for you guys to grasp because the you guys have never seen such a brute force approach to studying.  I&#8217;m sure you guys all studied smarter not just harder.  But I&#8217;ve seen it, and I&#8217;ve done it, mostly when I was trying to learn English and carry the courseload in the first year here.  I remember studying 3 hours for a short social studies exam I ended up acing.  I remember the teacher asking me how long I studied and when I told him, he gave like a 20 minute speech that I hardly understood 10%.</p>
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		<title>By: Chae</title>
		<link>http://www.seoulpodcast.com/archives/443/comment-page-1#comment-9155</link>
		<dc:creator>Chae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 16:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People adapt and compensate, and often rise to meet the challenging circumstances, especially if such thing is expected.  I never gone through high school experience in Korea but have not some heavy duty studying both in Korea and in the US and you certainly do get used to it.  There may be a point where you will crash and pay for all the deprivations you have accumulated, but I find that people are pretty resilient.  Think medical residency in certain choice fields in the US.  They can commiserate, I&#039;m sure.  

I have seen some of my neighbors and relatives prepare for college and the &quot;gold standard&quot; they talk about is using up a ball point pen a day, from writing and copying and writing some more (rote memorization being such a big part of studying in Korea).

And all this studying does bring some real tangible rewards and remain the best (and some would say only) way to ensure future success.

And I understand that once kids get into college, they drastically expand their social horizon.  And the new things they experience and see may be the reason why all these college kids like to tear up the pavement and participate in &quot;demo&quot; (as in violent, anti-government demonstrations) common in past decades.

As for Jen and Joe, it may be hard for you guys to grasp because the you guys have never seen such a brute force approach to studying.  I&#039;m sure you guys all studied smarter not just harder.  But I&#039;ve seen it, and I&#039;ve done it, mostly when I was trying to learn English and carry the courseload in the first year here.  I remember studying 3 hours for a short social studies exam I ended up acing.  I remember the teacher asking me how long I studied and when I told him, he gave like a 20 minute speech that I hardly understood 10%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People adapt and compensate, and often rise to meet the challenging circumstances, especially if such thing is expected.  I never gone through high school experience in Korea but have not some heavy duty studying both in Korea and in the US and you certainly do get used to it.  There may be a point where you will crash and pay for all the deprivations you have accumulated, but I find that people are pretty resilient.  Think medical residency in certain choice fields in the US.  They can commiserate, I&#8217;m sure.  </p>
<p>I have seen some of my neighbors and relatives prepare for college and the &#8220;gold standard&#8221; they talk about is using up a ball point pen a day, from writing and copying and writing some more (rote memorization being such a big part of studying in Korea).</p>
<p>And all this studying does bring some real tangible rewards and remain the best (and some would say only) way to ensure future success.</p>
<p>And I understand that once kids get into college, they drastically expand their social horizon.  And the new things they experience and see may be the reason why all these college kids like to tear up the pavement and participate in &#8220;demo&#8221; (as in violent, anti-government demonstrations) common in past decades.</p>
<p>As for Jen and Joe, it may be hard for you guys to grasp because the you guys have never seen such a brute force approach to studying.  I&#8217;m sure you guys all studied smarter not just harder.  But I&#8217;ve seen it, and I&#8217;ve done it, mostly when I was trying to learn English and carry the courseload in the first year here.  I remember studying 3 hours for a short social studies exam I ended up acing.  I remember the teacher asking me how long I studied and when I told him, he gave like a 20 minute speech that I hardly understood 10%.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.seoulpodcast.com/archives/443/comment-page-1#comment-3567</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 06:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You do realize that research shows that the average adult needs at least 7-8 hours of sleep a day.  Even more when you&#039;re younger.  Teens need nine hours a day.  It&#039;s different for each person, but that&#039;s the average.  Sleep deprivation leads to diabetes, memory problems, depression, and weakening of the immune system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You do realize that research shows that the average adult needs at least 7-8 hours of sleep a day.  Even more when you&#8217;re younger.  Teens need nine hours a day.  It&#8217;s different for each person, but that&#8217;s the average.  Sleep deprivation leads to diabetes, memory problems, depression, and weakening of the immune system.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.seoulpodcast.com/archives/443/comment-page-1#comment-9154</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 06:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You do realize that research shows that the average adult needs at least 7-8 hours of sleep a day.  Even more when you&#039;re younger.  Teens need nine hours a day.  It&#039;s different for each person, but that&#039;s the average.  Sleep deprivation leads to diabetes, memory problems, depression, and weakening of the immune system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You do realize that research shows that the average adult needs at least 7-8 hours of sleep a day.  Even more when you&#8217;re younger.  Teens need nine hours a day.  It&#8217;s different for each person, but that&#8217;s the average.  Sleep deprivation leads to diabetes, memory problems, depression, and weakening of the immune system.</p>
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		<title>By: jeikei</title>
		<link>http://www.seoulpodcast.com/archives/443/comment-page-1#comment-3563</link>
		<dc:creator>jeikei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 05:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I mean... sleep deprived... typo..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mean&#8230; sleep deprived&#8230; typo..</p>
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		<title>By: jeikei</title>
		<link>http://www.seoulpodcast.com/archives/443/comment-page-1#comment-9153</link>
		<dc:creator>jeikei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 05:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I mean... sleep deprived... typo..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mean&#8230; sleep deprived&#8230; typo..</p>
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		<title>By: jeikei</title>
		<link>http://www.seoulpodcast.com/archives/443/comment-page-1#comment-3562</link>
		<dc:creator>jeikei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 05:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Good Jen
Okay, I know it&#039;s hard to believe that a Korean high schooler listens to this podcast (or any podcasts), but I am a real Koran high schooler...(wish I had a way to prove it)
What I was trying to say was that we are not that tired from schools. And many of the kids do think that studying at school is much more time efficient than going home and trying to study there because they can concentrate better at school. And we are also getting at least 4~5 hours of sleep each day, so we are not like sleep deproved zombies....(yeah..)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Good Jen<br />
Okay, I know it&#8217;s hard to believe that a Korean high schooler listens to this podcast (or any podcasts), but I am a real Koran high schooler&#8230;(wish I had a way to prove it)<br />
What I was trying to say was that we are not that tired from schools. And many of the kids do think that studying at school is much more time efficient than going home and trying to study there because they can concentrate better at school. And we are also getting at least 4~5 hours of sleep each day, so we are not like sleep deproved zombies&#8230;.(yeah..)</p>
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		<title>By: jeikei</title>
		<link>http://www.seoulpodcast.com/archives/443/comment-page-1#comment-9152</link>
		<dc:creator>jeikei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 05:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Good Jen
Okay, I know it&#039;s hard to believe that a Korean high schooler listens to this podcast (or any podcasts), but I am a real Koran high schooler...(wish I had a way to prove it)
What I was trying to say was that we are not that tired from schools. And many of the kids do think that studying at school is much more time efficient than going home and trying to study there because they can concentrate better at school. And we are also getting at least 4~5 hours of sleep each day, so we are not like sleep deproved zombies....(yeah..)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Good Jen<br />
Okay, I know it&#8217;s hard to believe that a Korean high schooler listens to this podcast (or any podcasts), but I am a real Koran high schooler&#8230;(wish I had a way to prove it)<br />
What I was trying to say was that we are not that tired from schools. And many of the kids do think that studying at school is much more time efficient than going home and trying to study there because they can concentrate better at school. And we are also getting at least 4~5 hours of sleep each day, so we are not like sleep deproved zombies&#8230;.(yeah..)</p>
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