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	<title>Comments on: SeoulPodcast #41: Relevance of the English Media</title>
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	<description>Your guide to living in Korea with news, views and other ways to waste your time, with hosts Jennifer Young (Seoul Survivors), Stafford Lumsden (The Chosun Bimbo) and Joe McPherson (ZenKimchi).</description>
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		<title>By: Don&#8217;t Kill the Messenger</title>
		<link>http://www.seoulpodcast.com/archives/379/comment-page-1#comment-9486</link>
		<dc:creator>Don&#8217;t Kill the Messenger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Dec 2010 19:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] just finished listening to the Seoul Podcast. I have been meaning to link to them for awhile now. You should give it a listen. I listen every [...]</description>
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		<title>By: hardyandtiny</title>
		<link>http://www.seoulpodcast.com/archives/379/comment-page-1#comment-4240</link>
		<dc:creator>hardyandtiny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 22:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jesus Christ...shut the music off and screen the mikes.</description>
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		<title>By: hardyandtiny</title>
		<link>http://www.seoulpodcast.com/archives/379/comment-page-1#comment-9053</link>
		<dc:creator>hardyandtiny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 22:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jesus Christ...shut the music off and screen the mikes.</description>
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		<title>By: On Twitter &#187; The Hub of Sparkle!</title>
		<link>http://www.seoulpodcast.com/archives/379/comment-page-1#comment-2296</link>
		<dc:creator>On Twitter &#187; The Hub of Sparkle!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 05:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] was recently a guest on the SeoulPodcast, and after the show I got to talking with the other guests about the various social media they use. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: ZenKimchi</title>
		<link>http://www.seoulpodcast.com/archives/379/comment-page-1#comment-2155</link>
		<dc:creator>ZenKimchi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 01:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks.  That makes sense about shaming family and friends.  I also agree about the raising of certifications to get rid of the doucebags.  The trouble is the reality that Korea isn&#039;t the #1 destination in mind for serious teachers because of, well, many factors.  The common complaints of cheating going on in the industry is a major turn off to potential serious teachers.  Pay is also not attractive compared to places like Dubai and eastern Europe. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks.  That makes sense about shaming family and friends.  I also agree about the raising of certifications to get rid of the doucebags.  The trouble is the reality that Korea isn&#039;t the #1 destination in mind for serious teachers because of, well, many factors.  The common complaints of cheating going on in the industry is a major turn off to potential serious teachers.  Pay is also not attractive compared to places like Dubai and eastern Europe.</p>
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		<title>By: ZenKimchi</title>
		<link>http://www.seoulpodcast.com/archives/379/comment-page-1#comment-9052</link>
		<dc:creator>ZenKimchi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 01:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks.  That makes sense about shaming family and friends.  I also agree about the raising of certifications to get rid of the doucebags.  The trouble is the reality that Korea isn&#039;t the #1 destination in mind for serious teachers because of, well, many factors.  The common complaints of cheating going on in the industry is a major turn off to potential serious teachers.  Pay is also not attractive compared to places like Dubai and eastern Europe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks.  That makes sense about shaming family and friends.  I also agree about the raising of certifications to get rid of the doucebags.  The trouble is the reality that Korea isn&#039;t the #1 destination in mind for serious teachers because of, well, many factors.  The common complaints of cheating going on in the industry is a major turn off to potential serious teachers.  Pay is also not attractive compared to places like Dubai and eastern Europe.</p>
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		<title>By: Chae</title>
		<link>http://www.seoulpodcast.com/archives/379/comment-page-1#comment-2152</link>
		<dc:creator>Chae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 20:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you want a serious podcast, try to pick one that doesn&#039;t have a long dead Korean king snarkily kvetching about current events in first oh... 20 seconds or so.  Not that I disagree about alcohol bringing down the general quality of the podcast.  But last time I sat around with some friends and drank and talked for 3 hours, quality of our conversation was much worse than this one.  Oh, and we had some naked women dancing around us, so that probably contributed to the quality significantly. (Mmm, Follies...) 
 
As for some of the topics that were discussed... 
 
Korean privacy laws perhaps aren&#039;t as byzantine and unreasonable to the natives.  The concept of shame as punishment in Korea is that shame is itself a greatly punitive measure.  Shame is not merely a collateral consequence of a criminal conviction.  Many Koreans would see incarceration and/or fines as being somewhat redundant if the criminal was sufficiently shamed.  And on the same note, many Koreans would see heaping shame on the convicted to be &quot;cruel and unusual&quot; if other punitive measures were taken against the criminal. 
 
Consider also that Korea is a pretty homogeneous society with not many surnames.  If your child molester is named &quot;Lee&quot; then chances are, a sizable portion of Korean Lees is going to connected to him in one way or the other.  If the entire name is published, especially with region of Korea where he&#039;s living in, the paper is going to piss off a lot of people whose family name is connected to that guy. 
 
Same thing with publishing face.  It identifies not only the suspect but also his family, friends, co-workers, and other associates.  I think you guys have commented more than once that in Korea, it&#039;s who you know rather than what you know.  Implicit in that is a notion that within a group of related (by blood, school, region, or whatever)people, you will have interaction and co-mingling that are greater in extent and intimacy than other arms-length interactions.  So there is a great sense of shame in being associated with people who have been disgraced because the assumption (and the fact, in most cases) is that you have something in common with that person and have dealt regularly with that person in matters that you have perhaps obscured from others.  If someone is accused of something heinous in the US and the media tracks down his friend, his friend will most likely say, &quot;Yes I know him, we were friends, and I didn&#039;t know he was like that.&quot;  In Korea, you&#039;ll most likely hear either &quot;I don&#039;t know him&quot; or at best, &quot;No comment.&quot; 
 
Regarding douchebag teachers.  Certification of some sort probably will increase the quality of education and teachers in that it takes some planning and commitment on the part of the applicants.  So while a certified teacher would not necessarily be a better human being than a non-certified teacher, it would attract a more career-minded people who would not &quot;shit where they eat&quot; as opposed to a stereotypical drifter who is more than willing to make a year in Korea a blackhole in his resume while he makes some money and bang some local women. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want a serious podcast, try to pick one that doesn&#039;t have a long dead Korean king snarkily kvetching about current events in first oh&#8230; 20 seconds or so.  Not that I disagree about alcohol bringing down the general quality of the podcast.  But last time I sat around with some friends and drank and talked for 3 hours, quality of our conversation was much worse than this one.  Oh, and we had some naked women dancing around us, so that probably contributed to the quality significantly. (Mmm, Follies&#8230;) </p>
<p>As for some of the topics that were discussed&#8230; </p>
<p>Korean privacy laws perhaps aren&#039;t as byzantine and unreasonable to the natives.  The concept of shame as punishment in Korea is that shame is itself a greatly punitive measure.  Shame is not merely a collateral consequence of a criminal conviction.  Many Koreans would see incarceration and/or fines as being somewhat redundant if the criminal was sufficiently shamed.  And on the same note, many Koreans would see heaping shame on the convicted to be &quot;cruel and unusual&quot; if other punitive measures were taken against the criminal. </p>
<p>Consider also that Korea is a pretty homogeneous society with not many surnames.  If your child molester is named &quot;Lee&quot; then chances are, a sizable portion of Korean Lees is going to connected to him in one way or the other.  If the entire name is published, especially with region of Korea where he&#039;s living in, the paper is going to piss off a lot of people whose family name is connected to that guy. </p>
<p>Same thing with publishing face.  It identifies not only the suspect but also his family, friends, co-workers, and other associates.  I think you guys have commented more than once that in Korea, it&#039;s who you know rather than what you know.  Implicit in that is a notion that within a group of related (by blood, school, region, or whatever)people, you will have interaction and co-mingling that are greater in extent and intimacy than other arms-length interactions.  So there is a great sense of shame in being associated with people who have been disgraced because the assumption (and the fact, in most cases) is that you have something in common with that person and have dealt regularly with that person in matters that you have perhaps obscured from others.  If someone is accused of something heinous in the US and the media tracks down his friend, his friend will most likely say, &quot;Yes I know him, we were friends, and I didn&#039;t know he was like that.&quot;  In Korea, you&#039;ll most likely hear either &quot;I don&#039;t know him&quot; or at best, &quot;No comment.&quot; </p>
<p>Regarding douchebag teachers.  Certification of some sort probably will increase the quality of education and teachers in that it takes some planning and commitment on the part of the applicants.  So while a certified teacher would not necessarily be a better human being than a non-certified teacher, it would attract a more career-minded people who would not &quot;shit where they eat&quot; as opposed to a stereotypical drifter who is more than willing to make a year in Korea a blackhole in his resume while he makes some money and bang some local women.</p>
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		<title>By: Chae</title>
		<link>http://www.seoulpodcast.com/archives/379/comment-page-1#comment-9051</link>
		<dc:creator>Chae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 20:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you want a serious podcast, try to pick one that doesn&#039;t have a long dead Korean king snarkily kvetching about current events in first oh... 20 seconds or so.  Not that I disagree about alcohol bringing down the general quality of the podcast.  But last time I sat around with some friends and drank and talked for 3 hours, quality of our conversation was much worse than this one.  Oh, and we had some naked women dancing around us, so that probably contributed to the quality significantly. (Mmm, Follies...) 
 
As for some of the topics that were discussed... 
 
Korean privacy laws perhaps aren&#039;t as byzantine and unreasonable to the natives.  The concept of shame as punishment in Korea is that shame is itself a greatly punitive measure.  Shame is not merely a collateral consequence of a criminal conviction.  Many Koreans would see incarceration and/or fines as being somewhat redundant if the criminal was sufficiently shamed.  And on the same note, many Koreans would see heaping shame on the convicted to be &quot;cruel and unusual&quot; if other punitive measures were taken against the criminal. 
 
Consider also that Korea is a pretty homogeneous society with not many surnames.  If your child molester is named &quot;Lee&quot; then chances are, a sizable portion of Korean Lees is going to connected to him in one way or the other.  If the entire name is published, especially with region of Korea where he&#039;s living in, the paper is going to piss off a lot of people whose family name is connected to that guy. 
 
Same thing with publishing face.  It identifies not only the suspect but also his family, friends, co-workers, and other associates.  I think you guys have commented more than once that in Korea, it&#039;s who you know rather than what you know.  Implicit in that is a notion that within a group of related (by blood, school, region, or whatever)people, you will have interaction and co-mingling that are greater in extent and intimacy than other arms-length interactions.  So there is a great sense of shame in being associated with people who have been disgraced because the assumption (and the fact, in most cases) is that you have something in common with that person and have dealt regularly with that person in matters that you have perhaps obscured from others.  If someone is accused of something heinous in the US and the media tracks down his friend, his friend will most likely say, &quot;Yes I know him, we were friends, and I didn&#039;t know he was like that.&quot;  In Korea, you&#039;ll most likely hear either &quot;I don&#039;t know him&quot; or at best, &quot;No comment.&quot; 
 
Regarding douchebag teachers.  Certification of some sort probably will increase the quality of education and teachers in that it takes some planning and commitment on the part of the applicants.  So while a certified teacher would not necessarily be a better human being than a non-certified teacher, it would attract a more career-minded people who would not &quot;shit where they eat&quot; as opposed to a stereotypical drifter who is more than willing to make a year in Korea a blackhole in his resume while he makes some money and bang some local women.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want a serious podcast, try to pick one that doesn&#039;t have a long dead Korean king snarkily kvetching about current events in first oh&#8230; 20 seconds or so.  Not that I disagree about alcohol bringing down the general quality of the podcast.  But last time I sat around with some friends and drank and talked for 3 hours, quality of our conversation was much worse than this one.  Oh, and we had some naked women dancing around us, so that probably contributed to the quality significantly. (Mmm, Follies&#8230;) </p>
<p>As for some of the topics that were discussed&#8230; </p>
<p>Korean privacy laws perhaps aren&#039;t as byzantine and unreasonable to the natives.  The concept of shame as punishment in Korea is that shame is itself a greatly punitive measure.  Shame is not merely a collateral consequence of a criminal conviction.  Many Koreans would see incarceration and/or fines as being somewhat redundant if the criminal was sufficiently shamed.  And on the same note, many Koreans would see heaping shame on the convicted to be &quot;cruel and unusual&quot; if other punitive measures were taken against the criminal. </p>
<p>Consider also that Korea is a pretty homogeneous society with not many surnames.  If your child molester is named &quot;Lee&quot; then chances are, a sizable portion of Korean Lees is going to connected to him in one way or the other.  If the entire name is published, especially with region of Korea where he&#039;s living in, the paper is going to piss off a lot of people whose family name is connected to that guy. </p>
<p>Same thing with publishing face.  It identifies not only the suspect but also his family, friends, co-workers, and other associates.  I think you guys have commented more than once that in Korea, it&#039;s who you know rather than what you know.  Implicit in that is a notion that within a group of related (by blood, school, region, or whatever)people, you will have interaction and co-mingling that are greater in extent and intimacy than other arms-length interactions.  So there is a great sense of shame in being associated with people who have been disgraced because the assumption (and the fact, in most cases) is that you have something in common with that person and have dealt regularly with that person in matters that you have perhaps obscured from others.  If someone is accused of something heinous in the US and the media tracks down his friend, his friend will most likely say, &quot;Yes I know him, we were friends, and I didn&#039;t know he was like that.&quot;  In Korea, you&#039;ll most likely hear either &quot;I don&#039;t know him&quot; or at best, &quot;No comment.&quot; </p>
<p>Regarding douchebag teachers.  Certification of some sort probably will increase the quality of education and teachers in that it takes some planning and commitment on the part of the applicants.  So while a certified teacher would not necessarily be a better human being than a non-certified teacher, it would attract a more career-minded people who would not &quot;shit where they eat&quot; as opposed to a stereotypical drifter who is more than willing to make a year in Korea a blackhole in his resume while he makes some money and bang some local women.</p>
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		<title>By: Crwys</title>
		<link>http://www.seoulpodcast.com/archives/379/comment-page-1#comment-2067</link>
		<dc:creator>Crwys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&amp;friendID=45941197&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=u...&lt;/a&gt; 
 
A few months back you had that guy write a letter to a Korean News Paper...Hunter Davis...ANyway here is his Myspace page...I&#039;m only on the September podcasts at the moment...ie listening to them </description>
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<p>A few months back you had that guy write a letter to a Korean News Paper&#8230;Hunter Davis&#8230;ANyway here is his Myspace page&#8230;I&#039;m only on the September podcasts at the moment&#8230;ie listening to them</p>
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		<title>By: Crwys</title>
		<link>http://www.seoulpodcast.com/archives/379/comment-page-1#comment-9050</link>
		<dc:creator>Crwys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&amp;friendID=45941197&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=u...&lt;/a&gt; 
 
A few months back you had that guy write a letter to a Korean News Paper...Hunter Davis...ANyway here is his Myspace page...I&#039;m only on the September podcasts at the moment...ie listening to them</description>
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<p>A few months back you had that guy write a letter to a Korean News Paper&#8230;Hunter Davis&#8230;ANyway here is his Myspace page&#8230;I&#039;m only on the September podcasts at the moment&#8230;ie listening to them</p>
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